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Killer in the family podcast
A true crime podcast exploring men who kill their families.
Killer in the family podcast
Episode 40 - The Barton Family
Join me as we mark an important milestone: the one-year anniversary of the Killer in the Family podcast. This special episode delves into the chilling story of Mark Barton, a man whose life spiralled into a deadly rampage, devastating numerous families and communities. We'll uncover Barton's coercive and controlling behaviour, exploring how these actions escalated to the murder of his wife Leanne, stepchildren Matthew and Michelle, and eventually nine others in a brutal spree. I also share updates on my ongoing research into coercive control as a risk factor in intimate partner homicides, and my journey towards a professional doctorate in criminal justice.
Information and support
· Samaritans UK Contact Us | Samaritans
· National Domestic Violence Helpline UK 0808 2000 247
· Advocacy After Fatal Domestic Abuse (AAFDA) Home - AAFDA
· Women’s Aid www.womensaid.org.uk
· Mental health support USA I'm looking for mental health help for myself | Mental Health America (mhanational.org)
· Domestic abuse helpline USA 1.800.799.SAFE Domestic Violence Support | National Domestic Violence Hotline (thehotline.org)
References
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Southern Fried True Crime: 61: Mark Barton: Family Annihilator & Spree Killer on Apple Podcasts
Mark Barton: Family Destroyer and Mass Murderer – Crime Online
1999 Atlanta day trading firm shootings - Wikipedia
CNN - Georgia killer's notes show a troubled man - July 30, 1999
Mark Barton: Family Destroyer and Mass Murderer – Crime Online
Murder at the Office: Amazon.co.uk: Doonan, Brent C.: 9781933893082: Books
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Hi there and welcome to Killer in the Family podcast. I absolutely cannot believe it's been a year since I launched the podcast and since all of you brilliant listeners started supported it, so thank you so much. You might have noticed that the Killer in the Family podcast has had a bit of an image refresh New logo, same podcast. Don't worry, let me know what you think. And as well as an image refresh, over the summer I also submitted my dissertation for my Master's in Criminal Justice. As you know, my topic was intimate partner homicide and coercive control, and as part of my research I analysed 160 domestic homicide reviews, and what I found really interesting was that coercive control was a risk factor in intimate partner homicides that I looked at, and the police weren't engaged in all of the homicides either. So that actually led me to create a proposal for further research, and in January hopefully fingers fingers crossed I'm going to be starting a professional doctorate in criminal justice to analyse the role of other agencies, such as health services and social services, in intimate partner homicides. So hopefully, in a few years I'll be hosting this podcast as Dr Claire Laxton. Now, yeah, let's not get ahead of ourselves though, but you know, seeing as it is the one year anniversary of the podcast. I don't want to get all emotional, um, but I do want to say a huge thank you for every single listen, subscribe and download. Please do keep the reviews coming as well from. Thank you so much from the bottom of my heart. As you know, this podcast is a total labor of love and I'm so proud of how many of you listen, feedback and comment, and over the summer I've actually set up a buy me a coffee page where, if you like the podcast and what I do, you can buy me a coffee or tea in my case and really help out and support the podcast. The link is in the episode notes and I'll put it on my socials as well. Thank you so much in advance for all your support. So let's get into today's episode and boy, this one is a must listen.
Speaker 1:In July 1999, leanne Barton and her stepchildren Matthew, matthew and Michelle Barton were killed by their husband and father, mark Barton. Already a suspect in his first wife's and mother-in-law's murder, barton then went on to kill nine people at his ex-employers, employers, possible double family annihilator and spree killer. Mark Barton blamed others for his actions and left a trail of destroyed lives in his wake as he took his own life. This is the story of Leanne, matthew and Michelle Barton, deborah and Eloise Spivey and Alan Charles Tenenbaum, dean DeWaller, joseph Desert, jamshid Havash, vedatwati Muralidhadra, edward Quinn, kevin Dial, russell Brown and Scott Webb. So this is going to be a really, really tough listen team. It is a horrific story for the one year anniversary of this podcast and this is the case that we've covered that has the most victims, and not only is the perpetrator a family annihilator, but also a spree killer, having brutally taken up to 14 lives. Now, as you can imagine, there are lots of news stories about this case, and I've also read a book called Murder at the Office by a survivor of Mark Barton's, brent Doonan, a book by Ron Frantzell called Delivered from Evil, southern Fried True Crime podcast episode, and a Body Bags podcast episode on the case. As usual, all my sources are in the episode notes, as well as links to information and support if you need it.
Speaker 1:So let's start with Leanne. She was said to be a loving stepmother, friend and sister, and she was just 27 years old when she was killed by her estranged husband, mark Barton. She was born on the 18th of February 1972 to parents Patricia and Joe in Georgia. Now, as usual, I couldn't find loads about Leanne and her childhood, but I know that she grew up with a sister, dana. In 1991 Leanne met Barton when he started working as a salesman at the chemical company she worked at At that time. She was Leanne Lang and was married. Now her and Barton started an affair and by August 1993, leanne had left her husband after Barton said that he would soon be free to marry her Because Barton was also married at the time to a woman called. Deborah met Barton when they were at university and they quickly married in the late 1970s. Now, according to Southern Fried True Crime episode, deborah was born on the 29th of November 1957 to parents Eloise and Bill in Savannah, georgia. Again, there isn't loads out there about Deborah, but her and Barton moved to Texas after they had their first child, a son called Matthew David Barton, who was born in 1988. Matthew was a boy scout and loved video games, apparently, and he was just 11 years old when he was killed by his father.
Speaker 1:In Brent Doonan's book, although he doesn't say it explicitly, he clearly describes Barton as a coercive and controlling husband. Deborah couldn't leave the house without his permission and more than once Barton's colleagues heard him calling home when he was at work and say on the answer phone because obviously this is the 90s and we had landlines and answer phones that it was okay for Deborah to pick up the phone because it was him calling. She clearly wasn't allowed to answer the phone without his permission either. This is classic controlling behaviour, and although I couldn't find any like explicit descriptions of this, I'm sure that there were more examples out there. In their marriage too, according to the book by Ron Fransell, by this time the family were joined by their second child, michelle Elizabeth Barton. She was just eight years old when she was killed by her father. In 1991, deborah and Barton's marriage was in trouble. She accused him of cheating on her which he was, by the way, with Leanne and he was also secretly buying life insurance on his wife. The policy was worth $600,000. Apparently he tried to get a $1.5 million policy but couldn't afford the premiums.
Speaker 1:Now, before we talk about what happened to Deborah, let's delve into Barton's life and childhood. So Mark Barton was born in 1955 to parents Truman and Gladys, and he was born in Germany as Truman. His father was stationed there with the US Air Force. According to Brent's book, barton was described as an outcast, a bit of an introvert, when he was younger. Apparently, his father was also physically abusive as well, making for not a great childhood, I presume.
Speaker 1:Barton apparently had an obsession with chemistry, and in high school he actually started making hallucinogenic drugs, similar to LSD. Apparently, he actually once took so much of his own drugs that he had to go to A&E because he was having hallucinations. He graduated from high school in South Carolina in 1973 and went on to Clemson University in 1973, and went on to Clemson University Now. At this university, though, barton would have a psychotic episode and actually be hospitalised for treatment as an inpatient. The next year he started university again, effectively at the University of South Carolina, and went to study chemistry. Now he continued his drug making ways here and actually started making methamphetamine or meth. He not only made meth, he also started taking it as well, and was once caught trying to rob a pharmacy. He did end up graduating, though, and had already met Deborah at this time, who he would go on to marry. I mean, wow.
Speaker 1:Even at such a young age, barton seemed to be experiencing some really serious issues, not only getting treatment for a psychotic episode in his late teens but apparently behaving erratically, robbing pharmacies but regularly taking and making pretty hardcore drugs. So after they were married and had children, barton, he actually seemed to settle down and he got a job at a chemist company called TLC Manufacturing who made sort of cleaning supplies. Barton worked his way up there to manager of operations and then as a general manager, though it seemed that his behavioural issues were never too far from the surface. Apparently, at work he would have outbursts of anger when something went wrong and he also used to throw things in the office. He also started displaying paranoid behaviour as well. Now, remember, at this time he was also exerting control and coercion at home with Deborah, and by September 1990 Barton's behaviour at work became too much and he was unceremoniously fired.
Speaker 1:Now here we will see Barton's capacity for revenge, as after he was fired he actually broke into the office through a loading door and stole financial and chemical data from the company, downloading it from hard drives and then destroying it as well, as well as taking hard copies and destroying those too, as well as taking hard copies and destroying those too. I mean, this is next level revenge and seems really indicative of the sort of person Barton was. The company TLC knew who had done it straight away, and Barton was questioned and arrested by the police. He did go to jail only for a few hours though, as the company agreed to drop the charges if Barton gave back what he stole and left Texas forever, which he did. So he put his family and all of his belongings in a truck to Georgia and started his life again. He became a salesman in a chemical company and met a woman called Leanne.
Speaker 1:Now, before we talk about Leanne and Barton's marriage, we need to talk about what happened to Deborah. So in the summer of 1993, the Barton family were living in Atlanta, georgia, and Barton's affair with Leanne was well into its second year. And Deborah is really suffering in her marriage. She still suspects him of infidelity and had also reportedly told her parents she was talking to divorce lawyers and that Barton had been physically abusive as well. Now this was the time that Barton had told Leanne that he would be ready to marry her by October and when Leanne left her marriage as well.
Speaker 1:Now, on Labor Day weekend that year, which is in early September in the US, deborah and her mum, eloise Spivey, went away to the Seder Bluff campsite in Alabama for the weekend. Now I have no doubt that Deborah was happy to have a break from her marriage and controlling husband. Deborah and Eloise rented a trailer and I'm sure were just looking forward to having a relaxing weekend together. Sadly, it was not to turn out that way. Deborah and Eloise were last seen on Saturday, the 4th of September 1993. When he hadn't heard from them, deborah's dad and Eloise's husband, bill Spivey, called the campsite and asked them to do a welfare check on their trailer. What the campsite employees found that day I am sure still stays with them. This is going to be a tough listen team.
Speaker 1:Inside the trailer were the dead bodies of Deborah and Eloise. They'd been bludgeoned to death and there seemed to be an attempt to make it look like a robbery, as jewellery and other things were strewn around. Nothing was taken, though. Other things were strewn around. Nothing was taken, though. Eloise had been hit up to 10 times and Deborah over 10 times, all in the head and face. There was blood splattered throughout the trailer and there was also vomit in the trailer toilet. The police deduced that the person who'd killed Deborah and Eloise knew them because it was so violent up close and personal. There was no sign of forced entry and also they might have vomited afterwards because they felt so horrific about what they'd done.
Speaker 1:Once Bill, deborah's dad and Eloise's husband, had called Barton to tell him the news and they went to the campsite together. He became very suspicious of Barton. He seemed to be so calm when he was told his wife had been murdered and didn't seem to show any sign of the devastation you would expect. Now police were soon looking squarely at Barton as well. His alibi was very weak as his kids were in bed and he just said he stayed at home and police wanted to search his car for blood. Now Barton apparently actually called the manufacturer of a product called luminol, which is a chemical that can detect blood, to understand how it works. I mean talk about guilty behaviour. The police did use luminol to investigate Barton's car and found some traces of blood, but not enough to arrest him, it would seem, and sadly no one has ever faced justice for the horrific murders of Deborah and Eloise, though it is highly suspected that Barton was the perpetrator. When they were killed, most likely by Barton, eloise Spivey was 59 years old and Deborah Barton was 36 years old, leaving behind her two children. So, unlike other episodes, we've just had our first break and already talked about a suspected intimate partner homicide and the murder of a woman and her mother, and sadly we are not even remotely done yet.
Speaker 1:After the horrific murder of his wife and mother-in-law, barton grieved in the way that any loving husband would by trying to cash in on her life insurance policy and by leaving the memorial service for them by jumping into the car of Leanne and driving off with music blaring. I mean, what, the actual mate? Could you look any more guilty? Now? The insurance company actually brought him in for some intense questioning before they paid out because they had huge doubts about him. Despite these doubts, they did end up paying out about $450,000 of the $600,000 life insurance policy. They stipulated that $150,000 had to go into a trust for Matthew and Michelle that Barton couldn't touch, but Barton still walked away with hundreds of thousands of dollars. Here and when we come back to 1998, when Barton and Leanne are married but not happily, unsurprisingly, knowing Barton's history, apparently Leanne was a really doting stepmother and absolutely adored Matthew and Michelle was a real hands-on parent, which was so lovely for them. I bet they were so confused about what happened to their mum and grandma and having at least one stable and loving parent would have been so important.
Speaker 1:According to the Southern Fried True Crime podcast episode, there was also a period in the 90s when Michelle, who was just three years old at the time, told a nursery worker that her dad, Barton, had molested her. Barton quite rightly had to undergo psychiatric tests and apparently the test showed that he was capable of homicidal thoughts and actions. Now, given Michelle's age, it was hard for the police and attorneys to build a case against Barton for molestation and he was allowed to keep sole custody of both children. This makes me feel so sad and like a really missed opportunity to safeguard the children. Sad and like a really missed opportunity to safeguard the children, knowing what happens later Now. Interestingly, bill, deborah's father and the kid's grandfather, tried to get custody of them both after Deborah and Eloise had been killed, fearing what Barton might do to them, but sadly he failed. And after the murders of Deborah and Eloise, barton did everything he could to cut ties between the kids and their grandfather.
Speaker 1:Now, following the accusations of molestation, leanne and Barton's marriage crumbled. According to an article in the South Coast today, leanne's sister, dana, said Leanne was just sick of the control from Barton and just sick of being in a crappy marriage. Worried for her safety, she left Barton in October 1998 and moved into her own apartment. She never said it directly that she'd been abused, but Dana strongly suspected it. And in this article Dana said quote the last deep down, heart to heart conversation we had I asked her was she comfortable or scared? She said yes, but my apartment has the security system and that makes me feel comfortable. Now Leanne did reconcile with Barton, though she really missed the kids and wanted to spend more time with them. So he actually moved into the apartment that she had left him for and by this point barton had changed career and jobs again and had also spent most of Deborah's life insurance money on get-rich-quick schemes. He took the remaining money he had and turned his hand to day trading.
Speaker 1:Now I don't understand anything at all about day trading, especially in the late 1990s, but I think basically it's a very fast form of investing where people buy and sell stocks in the same day. Investing where people buy and sell stocks in the same day. I sort of imagine those images of Wall Street where people are like shouting and sweaty and sort of shouting like buy, buy, buy, sell, sell, sell. But I'm not sure if it's actually like that. But in the late, in late 1998, barton went to a company called Momentum Securities in Atlanta and put down $50,000 to start day trading. Now he lost it pretty quickly and ran up a debt at Momentum, though apparently when he made money he was nicknamed the Rocket man because he had such high energy. Now Barton went away and apparently he invented like a new soap or something like that and made some money from it and then came back to Momentum Securities with enough money to pay off his debt and put another $50,000 down to start trading again. He soon lost it all and left Momentum with debts of around $100,000. Around 100,000. Now Barton then took his day trading career literally across the road to a company called Alltech Investment Group, which was co-founded by Brent Doonan, who wrote the book that I read. Barton was given an account there and quickly became friends with Brent as well as other colleagues. His day trading at Alltech went a similar trajectory of intense highs and very low lows, and they soon found out about all his debts at Momentum and they had to close his account at Alltech, even though he owed $30,000. When Barton left Alltech in the summer of 1999 he promised he would be back KTM.
Speaker 1:This is going to be a tough lesson. We're going to talk about what happened between the 27th and 29th of July 1999 in Atlanta, georgia. So on the evening of the 27th of July 1999, while she slept, barton took a hammer to his wife, 27-year-old Leanne, and bludgeoned her to death while she was asleep, similar to how his first wife, deborah, died. He took Leanne's body and put it in the back of a cupboard, covering up with clothes, etc. He claimed that he loved her so much. But this does not show the act of love. It shows the act of selfish control and power.
Speaker 1:The next day, barton spent the day with his children, matthew, 11 years old, and Michelle, eight years old, playing and having fun together. They had no idea that their loving stepmother was dead in a cupboard upstairs, keeping it real classy there. Barton, and at these kids young age, they've been through so much upheaval and trauma, firstly losing their mum, then having to accept a new stepmother and being moved around while their dad lost job after job. I just can't imagine what they were thinking or feeling that day. That night, the 28th of July 1999, while his children, barton also killed both of them with hammer blows to the head, like so many family annihilators before and after him, he chose to kill his children as they slept, and in an extremely violent and painful way. He then apparently took both children, held their heads down in the bath when it was filled with water to make sure that they were both dead. I mean, this is just indescribably horrific. He put the children back in their beds dead, laid notes on their body, as well as a toy doll on Michelle's body and a toy on Matthew's. Some reports say it was a toy truck, but some say it was a Game Boy. He then left a note downstairs and presumably went to sleep.
Speaker 1:On the morning of the 29th of July 1999, after taking two days to brutally and callously kill his wife and two children, barton went to his lawyer's office to make some amends to his will and then headed downtown in Atlanta. Around 2.15 on that Thursday afternoon he walked into the Momentum Securities office. The upcoming description of what happened next in the next few hours is taken from Brent Doonan's book, ron Fransell's book and the Southern Fried True Crime podcast episode. At Momentum, barton first chatted to Martyy brookings, who was an office worker. He said he was looking for the manager justin and marcy assumed it was to pay back some of the money that barton owed. Justin was out, so barton waited for him. He chatted to some of the traders, including a guy called kevin dial who was the co-ager. By this time Barton was getting impatient to see Justin and apparently said to Kevin quote it's a bad trading day and it's about to get worse before pulling out a 45 caliber Colt, a nine millimeter Glock, and shooting 38 year old Kevin Dial dead. He would be Barton's fourth victim in three days.
Speaker 1:The gunshots echoed around the office and, in the midst of shock and disbelief, the rest of the office workers at Momentum started scrambling for safety. Before he did anything, next, barton assessed the scene. Brent Doonan said in his book that he quote seemed to relish the power he had over the others at that moment. I cannot imagine how terrified everyone was. Barton started walking through the office and shooting at everyone. Justin, the co-manager that he was looking for, returned to this absolute chaos and someone told him to run. 30-year-old Scott Webb was the next person to be killed. He was training someone in the office and popped his head out of the door to see what was going on. He was shot and killed by Barton. Two other office workers, andrew and James were shot but survived. Barton then shot and killed 58-year-old Edward Quinn in the neck. Continuing to stalk the office, shooting both guns, barton returned to Marcy and shot her point blank, but she survived, which was an absolute miracle. He then shot and killed 38-year-old Russell Brown three times before returning to shoot Scott Webb again. Barton walked out of the Momentum offices. Having killed four people and injured many more. A call was made to police at 2.56pm. At the same time, barton was making his way just across the road to Alltech.
Speaker 1:Around 3pm on the 29th of July 1999, mark Barton entered the Alltech offices. Barton saw Scott Manspeaker and Cathy Van Camp, as well as Brent Doonan in the office. He was in a meeting with some trainees. Brent describes the first moment he saw him in his book quote I made eye contact through the glass. Hey, it's Mark, I thought. I smiled and waved. Instead of sitting in the waiting area, mark motioned for me to come out with the same quirky smile he always had. I shook my head and gestured to the trainees. Maybe he was finally here to repay his $30,000 debt.
Speaker 1:Brett knew that he would have to at some point interrupt his meeting to go and see what Barton wanted as he was pacing outside of the office motioning for Brent to come out. While waiting for Brent, barton was in the break room chatting with some of his old trading colleagues. Scott Manspeaker noticed that Barton had red specks on his clothing but assumed that he'd been painting or something. Barton was clearly getting impatient so went over to the office where Brent was again and said quote, brent, come here quick. Really you're gonna love this here quick, really you're gonna love this. So Brent finally was able to extricate himself for the meeting and went to join Barton, who was in an office with Scott and Kathy. He closed the blinds in the office, turned to Brent and said quote, today is going to be visual.
Speaker 1:Brent describes what happens next in his book quote. I had but a brief second to ponder his carefully chosen words as he was on the move. What's that supposed to mean, I thought as I replayed the words in my head. His words and expression did not match his initial jovial and excited demeanor. I'd not even finished repeating his statement when it registered to me that something was terribly wrong as I watched Mark Barton.
Speaker 1:Barton then pulled both guns out of his shorts and shot Brent twice before he could even comprehend what was happening. He was hit in his abdomen and elbow before collapsing to the floor. He was still alive, though. Barton then shot Cathy and Scott. The gunshots again were heard outside the glass office and people started to panic as they did at Momentum. Just minutes earlier, barton came out into the main office and just started shooting. He killed 45-year-old Jamshid Havash and wounded Youssef Librazon and Fred Herder, who were trying to get away from him. He shot and killed Dean de Waller, who was 52 years old and trying to escape. Alan Tenenbaum and Joseph Desert were next, both killed by Barton's rain of bullets. Apparently, during this or all of this, barton shouted I hope this doesn't ruin your trading day. What an absolute piece of crap.
Speaker 1:At this point, although he had been shot twice, Brent Doonan was trying to focus on survival. He got himself up from the floor and saw Barton through the office door. He ran into him as Barton prepared to shoot someone else, throwing him off balance. Brent ran as fast and far as he could and was shot twice more by Barton, but still he kept going. In a scene that could have been from a film, brent was crawling, slash, running towards the lift. He managed to get in. He pressed all the buttons and saw Barton running towards him as the lift doors closed. This was the move that saved his life.
Speaker 1:At this point, police were responding to Mentum Securities. When someone from Alltech called the police, the dispatcher got confused, as it was a similar address, and said the police were already attending. It would take another 30 minutes before someone worked out that there were two different crime scenes and police began attending all tech offices as well as Momentum Securities. However, mark Barton just gathered up his guns and duffel bag, walked out of all tech into his people carrier and left the chaos he'd created.
Speaker 1:By this point, brent Doonan had managed to get off the lift and into the offices of another company. The employees there were desperately trying to simultaneously help stop his bleeding, begging the police and paramedics to come to Alltech and also get his brother, brian, and father on the phone. Describing this in his book, brent says quote Brian, I love you. Tell mum and dad how much I love them too. After hours of hunting for Barton, police cornered him in a petrol station where a bystander had seen him and called the police. They had his people carrier surrounded and called for him to come out with his hands up. They heard a gunshot, barton had taken his own life.
Speaker 1:There ended a horrific day in Atlanta history at the hands of Mark Barton, family annihilator and spree killer. Though the impact of the day would reverberate through the lives of many for decades to come, that was, that was really tough. What Barton did in late July 1999 remains the deadliest mass shooting in Georgia and has far-reaching consequences for everyone involved, not only for those who lost their lives at the hands of Barton, but also for those who survived, some who went through many, many surgeries and are left with lifelong impairments and trauma from that day. Although, thankfully, brent dunan survived his injuries, nine people were killed at the momentum and all tech offices that day and 13 people people were injured, some with critical, life-changing injuries. And that is before we even consider the murders of Leanne, matthew and Michelle in the days before and Deborah and Eloise Spivey in the years before.
Speaker 1:Now, after Barton had been surrounded by police and he'd taken his own life, obviously police went to where he was living Now. In the apartment they found Matthew, michelle and Leanne, as well as a note from Barton. Now, you know how I feel about notes written by family annihilators they are mostly self-serving and making excuses for themselves, which is why I'm not going to read you any extracts from Barton's note. You can read it online if you really want to. Needless to say that in one breath, barton blamed all his misfortunes on Leanne and in another breath talked about how much he loved her so much so that he stuffed her in a cupboard. He also talked about how it was better for his children to die rather than grow up with the reality of what he had done and without any parents, and he talked about how much he loved them, etc. Etc. Blah, blah, blah. We've heard it all before. While lots of people have poured over this note and barton's life, to understand why he did what he did to me is pretty straightforward. Barton was a controlling and abusive man who'd gotten away with murder once before, blamed his shortcomings and misfortune on everyone else and took time and trouble to plan and execute the murders of his family and former colleagues. He was a piece of crap who could have been stopped had the case against him for the murders of Deborah and Eloise been made. This episode is dedicated to all of those who lost their lives at the hands of Mark Barton, leanne, matthew and Michelle Barton, deborah and Eloise Spivey, charles Tenenbaum, dean de Waller, joseph Desert, jamshid Havash, fedawati Muraldehara, edward Quinn, kevin Dial, russell Brown and Scott Webb.
Speaker 1:This has been Killer in the Family podcast, written and produced by me, claire laxton, with music from the brilliant tom box and pixabay. I'll be back next week with a new episode, so please subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Don't forget to send me any comments or questions to my insta at killer in the family pod or through a text via the link in the episode notes. Do let me know any stories you'd like me to cover as well, and don't forget that you can buy me a coffee if you like the podcast and help support its running costs. The link is in the episode notes. Until then, I've been Claire Laxton. This is Killer in the Family podcast. Until next time, take care, thank you, thank you.
