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Killer in the family podcast
A true crime podcast exploring men who kill their families.
Killer in the family podcast
Episode 68 - Interview with Kim Davis from Slaycation Podcast
Kim Davis co-hosts the Slaycation podcast alongside husband Adam Davis and friend Jerry Kolber. The podcast – which I absolutely love – explores cases of murder, mysterious deaths and disappearances while on vacation – or holiday as well call it in the UK. I highly recommend that you check it out and add it to your podcast list.
Kim is a trained social worker specialising in domestic abuse and has worked in domestic abuse shelters in her career. She has expert insight into the impact of domestic abuse and the behaviours of domestic abuse perpetrators.
She is also a fan of true crime and does the majority of the research for Slaycation – trying to find an answer to why people commit such horrific crimes.
This is our interview with Kim Davis from Slaycation podcast.
Information and support
· Samaritans UK Contact Us | Samaritans
· National Domestic Violence Helpline UK 0808 2000 247
· Women’s Aid Home - Women's Aid
· Mental health support USA Mental Health America | Homepage | Mental Health America
· Domestic abuse helpline USA 1.800.799.SAFE Domestic Violence Support | National Domestic Violence Hotline
References
About Slaycation: The Team Behind the True Crime Podcast
Slaycation: True Crimes, Murders, and Twisted Vacations | Podcast on Spotify
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Hi there and welcome to Killer in the Family. And today we have something very exciting for you An interview with not only a brilliant podcaster, but someone who has first-hand experience of supporting survivors of domestic abuse and trauma None other than Kim Davis from the Slaycation podcast. Hi, Kim.
Speaker 2:Hi Claire. Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate this opportunity to spend time with you and your audience today.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much for joining us. I'm really excited about this conversation.
Speaker 1:Now I'll tell you a little bit about Kim and then we can get into it alongside husband Adam Davis and friend Jerry Colbert. The podcast, which I absolutely love, explores cases of murder, mysterious deaths and disappearances while on vacation, or on holiday as we call it in the UK. I highly recommend you check it out. Add it to your podcast list Now as well as this, kim is a trained social worker and specialised in domestic abuse and has worked in domestic abuse shelters throughout her career. She has that expert insight into the impact of domestic abuse and behaviours of perpetrators. She is also, like all of us, a fan of true crime and does the majority of research for Slaycation, trying to find those answers on why people commit such horrific crimes. I'm so excited to have such a powerhouse on the podcast. This is our interview with Kim Davis from Slaycation podcast.
Speaker 2:Well, thank you, claire, for such a warm introduction. I appreciate that and, again, I'm so glad to be here.
Speaker 1:And I think, like I'm so, so happy to have you here and, as I've already said, I really love Slaycation. It is a regular in my podcast listens every week.
Speaker 2:Well, thank you, thank you, and I have to say I enjoy your podcast as well.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much. I think my podcast is probably not as funny as yours.
Speaker 2:Well, yes, you know different tones, right? I mean look part of our job. Part of our job, claire is making sure there's something out there for everybody, you know. And not everybody enjoys the dark humour. Some people like it a little bit more straight from the. You know more from a straight shooter, so you know, we just make sure that there's enough for everybody absolutely.
Speaker 1:And while I've got you here as a great first question, can you just tell us, like, a little bit about yourself? You've had such a varied career and such a range of interests and expertise. Can you just tell listeners a little bit about yourself, like what brought you to podcasting? You know a bit about your career as well. Well, I'll tell you what brought you to podcasting you know a bit about your career as well.
Speaker 2:Well, I'll tell you, what brought me to podcasting was my husband. But my husband recognized that, uh well, he noted my very intent, my intense interest in true crime, which went, went way, way back. I always make the joke that, you know, I was into true crime before they even knew what DNA was. So that's it. It's been a while, you know. But you know, we just kind of, you know, was having a conversation one day and my husband had had a show idea which was murders and mysterious deaths while on vacation, and he recognized that it could be a podcast and thus the birth of Slaycation, and that I would host it. And I was like, yeah, no, and here I am hosting, hosting flacation. So it's been interesting, you know, delving into these cases and preparing it in a way, in a storytelling format for our listeners. So that's been very, it's been very interesting.
Speaker 2:And, yeah, I worked, as you know, I've worked with women field of social work centered on women fleeing domestic violence situation.
Speaker 2:I was at a crisis shelter which was manned 24 hours, which were women actively fleeing dangerous situations.
Speaker 2:So that, of course, was a very intense situation. You have women and children and their children in these very volatile situations. And you know it was quite an education for me, you know, just in terms of you know seeing what and hearing their stories and what they were going through and a lot of it just helping them come to terms with the loss of the relationship and navigating, you know, a new life, a new future for themselves and their children. And that was a very, you know it was very rewarding but it was also very challenging because you know, again, as very typical in domestic violence situations I mean, I grew up in one, so that offered me another lens into the dysfunction and just sort of the years spent of just the back and forth. They say statistically that it takes a woman seven times of the back and forth of leaving before she actually makes the break, of the back and forth of leaving before she actually makes the break, and it is during that time where she leaves the relationship, where it is the most dangerous.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and we talk about that a lot on Killer in the Family, because often when a woman and her children have been killed, it is because she has left that abusive relationship, that perpetrator has lost control. So the role that you were playing and like that you played in supporting at that really critical time is just so important. It's literally life-saving, isn't it?
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, it really really is.
Speaker 2:And you know one of the things that we you know, the shelter was a facility that was hidden so you wouldn't be able to tell if you were walking by, and it was clearly stated that you were not like, you had to conduct yourself as one that was in hiding.
Speaker 2:In other words, it meant that you really were not like you, you had to conduct yourself as one that was in hiding. In other words, it meant that you really were not allowed to go spend time with family, you were not allowed to let anybody know where you were and if it had come to the attention of the agency that that had happened, that unfortunately that would result in the discharge of the client, which is really unfortunate Because, you know, the thing, too that has to be considered is that when you expose yourself, you're exposing the entire facility and everybody in it to danger because, as we know, um, these individuals can be very volatile and unpredictable absolutely, and I like there's some things that I learn and I'm sure you do as well, as you're like doing research for the podcast and things like that Absolutely that it's like I thought I'd seen it all in terms of tactics in control and abuse, and they just keep coming up with new ones that you'd never think about girl every time, yeah, every time.
Speaker 2:and I think also too, just given our experience and our awareness, there are certain things that I would suspect that you and I would look at and recognize it immediately as a red flag, where I think the average person may not necessarily yeah, exactly, you have that heightened awareness, don't you?
Speaker 1:Absolutely. I covered a case where there was two things that this particular perpetrator did. One was there was only one key to the house, so the woman had to be at home at all times if he was going to be home. That's right, the woman had to be at home at all times if he was going to be home. And the second thing was, um, he kept bringing pets home so she had to look after them, which kept her in the home as well. And you might, it's, and I was like I've never heard of that, but it makes sense because you know from the outside.
Speaker 2:oh, he's brought you loads of kittens that's really lovely, but actually it was controlling her time and keeping her in the her she couldn't leave right exactly, exactly, and it and, and the thing is, it's like it's, it's insidious because on the face of it one might think, oh, that's so sweet, that's so sweet, that's so thoughtful, that's so, you know, when it's really just another means of control. You know, I had covered a case it was actually our first case the case of Tony and Harold Henthorne, and he had you know, he's in jail now, but he had taken his wife on a getaway and if I tell you all the red flags, it was just All I could see was red, just the stories that you know the fact that he controlled all the finances, and that to me, is interesting, given that she was the one, she was the primary, if not the only, wage earner. So the idea that he is controlling the finances is a little Look, everybody has different arrangements in their family that works for them. However, I did not get the sense that it was a partnership in that regard. I got the sense that he called all the shots.
Speaker 2:Another alarming thing, another alarming thing about that dynamic which, again, I think, on the face of it, not everybody would see it as a red flag, but you know, they had just had a baby and they she was very close to her family in Louisiana why he want to up and move them to Colorado. It's you know, and I would garner that a woman that is close to her family, has a loving family, would, and just had a baby. I would make a wager to say that was not something that she was like, yeah, let's do this. Another thing that was really alarming about that relationship was how he was able to access all her phone calls so that if the phone rang, he would. It would ring on his phone too. Weird, yeah, and wildly inappropriate for an adult. I think.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um there's no world where that should be. Yes, exactly. I mean, and again, it was just one of those things where you know, you just see it, and you just want to say, run, run, pack your bags, go back to Louisiana.
Speaker 1:you know it, it, it's, it's, it's really, really interesting one of the things I wanted to ask you about was um. So the reason that I started killer in the family about specifically about men who kill their families, is because so much of the media narrative when something like a familiar side happens here is like, um, he was an amazing dad, he was such a nice guy like, and then, oh, and then he killed his whole family. And I just was really interested in your insight, your experience, um, particularly from um the United States as well, like that challenge of like the media response um to very horrific crimes against women. Do you face that as well? Did you face up to that as well in your, in your work too?
Speaker 2:absolutely, and I think a lot of it too, is that it it is just kind of a societal norm in a sense. That, I think, is that that is, I think, very global in a sense. Um, you know, and even when you just look at the way women are discriminated against, without a lot of them even recognizing that that is what's happening, you know, especially when you consider that in this country women get paid 70 cents to the dollar, for example, so women also are way more likely to end up in poverty, at the sort of a way to maintain the patriarchy, in a sense, by keeping men in control and kind of keeping the woman underfoot. Us back to, you know, they're trying to bring us back to the times where the women's really only function to have babies and be home with babies. So I do find that, I do find that, uh, there aren't a lot of helpful resources for women in dangerous situations.
Speaker 1:So I, yeah, I agree 100 percent, 100 percent with you moving on slightly to talk a bit about Slaycation podcast, which I love. So you, um, you do you like choose the stories? You do most of the research, so you sort of like present, present the cases to, particularly to to Adam and I know, jerry, yes, times in. How do you choose your cases? Like, which stories do you particularly sort of when? How do you see one and you're like I really want to tell the story?
Speaker 2:Well, a lot of our stories are real. Well, I'll tell you, the story really centers on murders and mysterious vacations. Murders and mysterious deaths while on vacation. So typically are you know, they're away and a lot of so that's sort of the centerpiece of our cases. So it could be many different compositions. It could be a composition where it's a couple, it could be a composition of a you know somebody going away and being murdered or kidnapped or however in that situation. But the primary, I guess you could say, thing is that it's a getaway or a holiday, as we say, you know, for our UK neighbors.
Speaker 2:And you know, I think the thing that I find most interesting about the cases and this can usually and really it is the dynamic of the relationships. If there is a relationship, I find that particularly interesting, especially when there is somebody in that relationship ends up dead, and that to me is extremely fascinating and interestingly too how it can be partners, husband and wife. But I've also done cases where it's parent and child, where you know the child murders the parent. We've done a couple of cases like that, which also sort of lends into how domestic abuse bleeds into different relationships, not the typical or traditional husband, wife, boyfriend, girlfriend, but in relationships like parent-child as well, and that those types of relationships too, unfortunately, are very underrepresented in terms of abuse control, for example, and I think that that's why I find this work so fascinating.
Speaker 2:You know, look, I feel like I've been doing it forever, just in the content that I've consumed throughout my life. You know the books that I've read and stuff like that. But I always try to connect the dots, I try to figure out what is the origin story. Connect the dots, I try to figure out what is the origin story, how did this begin and how did we get here? I'm always fascinated with that, and sometimes it's not as clear cut as other times.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I was talking to, uh, I was talking to my husband. I was saying we were doing this recording and he was like oh, have there been um, lots of familiar sides on vacation? And I was like no, I don't think that, right like I don't think. I was like I think they you know, they usually take place at home, don't they? I thought that was so interesting because I hadn't made that connection. I was like no, I don't think they do take place on vacation.
Speaker 2:Really, you know, I'll tell you, claire, you would be surprised, um, because the thing is is that I, I shudder to think how many couples went on vacation and something happened and the person actually got away with it, if they. You know, I, I shudder to think, because when you consider it, you know, like, even the case that I was just talking about, um, he pushed her off a clip, that's, that's the uh, allegations. And if he didn't have this, like I wonder, if he didn't have, like all this sort of noisy backstory which he did, you know, meaning that he actually had another wife, his first wife die in mysterious circumstances, and and sort of this history of control, and sort of this history of control, like what's there to say that this wasn't just a simple tragic accident. And you know, and think about it, his first wife was murdered, they were going for a drive and the car reportedly had a flat tire and then it fell on her and it was like, oh, just a tragic accident.
Speaker 2:So, again, it almost feels, you know that, under the guise of a vacation, because I think people, when they think of vacation, they think I'm going to kick back, I'm going to relax, I'm going to, you know, and I think just the default setting of being on vacation is just letting your guard down and one can be very vulnerable In that setting, in that setting. So I think that we would be shocked at how many people actually have done it and had it even gotten away Like I would not be surprised at all.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I mean we've done a number of cases where you know, yeah, that a couple went away and one of them did not come back and that I think what you just said there about, um, you know, that sort of vacation vibe like oh I'm relaxed, you know, potentially makes you a bit more vulnerable, is so interesting because there's actually um a case here that I covered on the podcast. Uh, because there was a. There was quite a thing in the UK about how many women have died by being pushed off like a height. Yes, you know how perpetrators are getting away with that. And there's a woman who she was called Fawzia Javed. She went to Edinburgh with her husband, she was pregnant and he pushed her off um arthur's seat, which is quite a famous place in edinburgh. So they were on holiday for the weekend, you know all of those things. And um bar for her surviving and telling someone who came to help her that he pushed her. He would have got away with it.
Speaker 2:100 right, absolutely exactly. That's that's the thing. And had she not said that, see, that's that's the thing, you know?
Speaker 1:you just made me think that as well because it's like um, people are like, oh, but it's a couple, they're expecting a baby, they're on holiday, like all of that, all of that sort of vacation narrative. A vacation is to get away from it all and relax.
Speaker 2:It's what you're going to do, it's what you're meant to do, and that just lends itself to letting your guard down. Having a few drinks being in a more relaxed state, having a few drinks being in a more relaxed state, you know, and yeah, by default you're more vulnerable and somebody that has the intention to hurt you would find that to be an optimum time and that is to catch you off guard and, to you know, make good on whatever insidious plan they have. And yeah, I mean again, it's. You know, it never ceases to amaze me the horrible things people do to each other and the horrible things that people who claim to to love what they do to each other never ceases to amaze me and do you have, from all the sort of cases and stories you've covered on this location?
Speaker 1:you've talked about a couple already. Are there any others that, like, really stand out for you in terms of maybe you know, every time some every now and then I'll do a story and it'll just stay with me for a long time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know there's this one story that kind of blew my mind so, and I always come back to this story, but it's this. I don't know if you've heard it, but there was a case of um, a young man by the name of Joel Guy Jr, and he, he went home on Thanksgiving. Let me just tell you you'll want to Google this I was just thinking that, yes, he went home for Thanksgiving with his family and ended up murdering his parents. Yeah, just ended up. And the thing that was fascinating to me about this case was just in sort of the backstory, because usually in a lot of these stories there's a lot of noise like, oh, they did this to him. There was that going on. It was crazy, it was chaotic, but in his case there was none of that. His parents reportedly provided him with an extremely loving and nurturing background. His mother was kind of the dream mom, you know, and you know they were supportive of him and his endeavors. You know they were supportive of him and his endeavors.
Speaker 2:So that took me back because there was no, there was nothing to connect the dots to. It was very it was not satisfying to be able to, you know, like, oh, his parents were abusive, and I'm not saying that these are excuses. You know, like the Men, his parents were abusive and I'm not saying that these are excuses. You know, like the Menendez brothers, they have all this noise and you heard of the Menendez, but, like all of that, they have all this noise of sexual abuse and dah, dah, dah, dah, dah dah. Not to excuse it at all, but just to say that there was this horrible tragedy. Yes, exactly this horrible tragedy. Yes, exactly, perfect word, claire. So in this case, there is it, and I found that to be just. I guess it just kind of blew my mind and it made me really look at him kind of more. Like what, where is the disconnect? Disconnect? Like how is it that these people that have loved and cared for you your whole life, that this is so that you can access their money, like that's what this is essentially like.
Speaker 2:That was, I guess you could say, his motivation, and it was just interesting because he had it was a um. It was the first marriage for his mother, for Joel Guy's mother, and the second marriage for his father. So from his father's side, his father had a marriage, had a, had a, had a first marriage and three daughters from that marriage, and the interesting thing about that is the three daughters, right, had a very loving relationship with their stepmother, which again was fascinating to me because, again, those are the details, the way people conduct themselves in these important relationships and often in relationships that are typically fraught with conflict, right, it was interesting to me to note that they all loved her and I, in the horror of their stepmother, and how they missed her and how it was just and one of them had even commented on the pain that she felt that her stepmother's only biological child did this to her. So I guess that's the case I say all that to say that's the case that just that, just kind of like, had me sort of like.
Speaker 2:You know, it's almost when you look at him and it's interesting because I encourage you to Google him. Yeah, I'm going to do yes. Yes, it looks like there's something missing, like there's something in his eyes that and I would love to hear what you think about that. So I'll be like Claire did you look? Did you see what? Did you think? You know, he looks like it, it you? I look at him and I see there's something void there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so interesting, and it does, and that reminds me as well. Quite often, when you know a man has killed his whole family or something like that, a lot of the response to it is, oh, there's just no reason for this. He just snapped and actually you know, you actually dig down into it. Yes, for lots of reason.
Speaker 2:Typically, that is very, very true. Yeah, and it's very fascinating, you know. Yeah, yeah, and that's the thing, isn't it?
Speaker 1:Whether it is wanting to be with someone else or money or, like you know, and the the first case that I did was um the Watts family, so, like um you know Shanna and Cece and Bella and Chris Watts and and the whole narrative around him. For start was like, oh, you know, he just snapped, he just saw red and it's like no, you dig deep. And he just wanted a new life and didn't want to take any of his family into that new life and thought that this is the answer.
Speaker 2:Yes, exactly, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 1:But there has to be something, and this is what I always think, like I am you know, I'm not a psychologist, that is not my area of expertise, or anything like that but I always think that there has to be something in those men that kill their families, that don't just say I'm going to divorce my wife, that think, okay, somehow my brain has come to the answer of just killing everyone like you know, rather than okay, divorce, or, you know, I'm gonna take my own life.
Speaker 1:Obviously, I don't want to see anyone doing that, but it's it's really interesting how to think about how that thought process could, could happen. I I don't think I will ever understand that at all, but that's why we continue looking into crime stories, isn't it?
Speaker 2:it most definitely is, and I, I am with you there, a thousand percent, because it is that sort of what is it? What is it that makes that? Is it? Is it in the DNA? Is it something that can be singled out and and identified Like? What is that? What is it? And yeah, I find that I'm always on the hunt for that. I don't know if I'll find it probably not but I do always try to connect the dots and connect the dots in such a way that there's some way to make sense of it. And I think because I guess it's my fantasy that to make sense of it is to then be able to isolate, maybe heal, do something. You know it's interesting because you know you take these, you know these men that wipe out their families, men that wipe out their families, and you know it's just fascinating because it's I'm not saying women don't engage in these types of, but overwhelmingly it's men. So I always make this joke like it's men. Men are the problem, but you know, it's just, it's a fact.
Speaker 1:Yeah, overwhelmingly, men kill their families more than women kill their families. That, that is the facts. And I think it's so interesting when I have conversations with just, you know, general chat with friends and everything, and they say, oh, they're so rare, aren't they, these things? And I was like, well, I have a list of episodes that could probably last me for the next couple of years. So you know, are they right? Not as, not as rare as people want to think that they are. I think.
Speaker 2:Right, right, right. And you know it's also interesting too, blair, because I find that I mean and I always did, but I think too, as I've gotten older and you know my kid is grown and just sort of navigating in the world, I pay close attention to people, the character of people, the way that they conduct themselves, the way that they conduct themselves, the way that they interact with other people. I pay attention to those things. Telling me a story about somebody that she was friends with and you know, or that she knew, basically they were couples, friends that you know, and they each had lost their partner, and so they would get together and, you know, work out at the gym, and she was telling me how she had introduced him to a friend of hers and he kind of quipped oh nice tits. And you know I just, it just made me bristle, because to me I honestly I question the character of somebody that does that, that voices that out loud, and whether it was a joke or not, the fact that she even heard it the woman actually did hear it. You know, those little things. Like I can't picture, for example, my husband ever saying anything like that, like, certainly in the context of meeting a friend of mine and responding that way. You know what I mean, and I'm not saying that he's a potential killer, you know, because he did that.
Speaker 2:What I am saying, though, is that my interaction with this material, in the way that I've been interacting with it, has made me sort of has really fine-tuned my senses, like so. Everything becomes a question. So what kind of guy looks at a woman that he's meeting for the first time and feels compelled to remark on her body out loud, and so it just sort of leads into all these different things. You know, it just sort of becomes like an interwoven of. You know what makes that person? What makes that person? What makes that person, because if I had a son and I ever heard that from him that would be a conversation of how inappropriate that is, you know and, yes, we get like a spidey sense, don't we about, yes, those sort of characteristics and, yes, real heightened awareness, and I yes, yes, always think that I always say that.
Speaker 1:Um, and I think, like it brings me on to my last question, quite nicely actually which is you know, for for us, we consume a lot of trauma, traumatic stories we consume a lot of people's trauma.
Speaker 1:For people listening they consume a lot of um you know true crime, a lot of dark stories, um you know a lot of devastation. How you know how do you take care of yourself, how do you look after yourself, how do you um enable yourself to keep going and to continue telling these really important stories in a really compassionate and um important way, without letting that trauma, sort of you know, destroy you in a way?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a very good question. You know, I think for me, I'm again very aware of when I need to take a break. So if I need to do that, it's exactly what I do, and I think also to having conversations like I'm having with you. I find very healing, in a sense, because I feel like a lot of my healing, too, comes from what I put out into the universe.
Speaker 2:A lot of these stories are horrible stories, but I feel compelled to tell them because I feel, in a sense, these stories certainly from my perspective, I'm sure from yours is a way to honor the victims, in a sense of letting it be known that A the stories are not in vain, that the takeaways of these stories can even save a life, and that is crucial. Somebody hearing a story who can sort of normalize, sort of like being in a relationship and normalize well, you, he yelled, he only gives me this amount of money, but we're saving can recognize like no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You know, I think that it's an opportunity for others to learn how to care for themselves and recognize when it's turning that corner into insidiousness and into, you know, trauma, like potential trauma and control.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think that's such a powerful takeaway, isn't it? I've never thought about it like that, but actually thinking about how many people have said to me like, oh, I've learned about coercive control or like domestic abuse or those sorts of things, and actually I know, like I know what it sort of looks like now, it's like so important, isn't it? And being able to do that, it's so powerful?
Speaker 2:because once you're aware that, right there is half the battle. You know, once you stop making excuses, once you stop normalizing toxic behavior, that's half the battle, because then you can center the focus on how it's impacting you and what you need to do to protect yourself. Yeah, you know, and whether that's get away, whether you know it's a conversation, whether it's couples therapy conversation, whether it's couples therapy, whether whatever it is, you know it's it's acknowledging and then making the way towards a healthy relationship.
Speaker 1:And being someone who is a storyteller of those stories but other true crime stories as well to help people understand, learn, just think about some of those things is a really important role, isn't?
Speaker 2:it Mm-hmm. Yeah, no, it is important because you know, most people don't know. Yeah, I mean, you know, when I was a young, dopey 20-something-year-old embarking on relationships, I hadn't a clue. I hadn't a clue and the dramatic back and forth and, you know, toxic interactions and fights were the norm. Um, if only had somebody had sat down with me and go no, no, no, here's what we're not going to do. Is all of what you're doing in that relationship the yelling, the screaming, the fighting, the yeah yeah, oh well, kim, thank you so so much for having time for this conversation with me.
Speaker 1:I've, absolutely I've just loved hearing about your experience and also like your insights into the cases that you cover on slaycation as well. It's just been a real, a real pleasure to hear from you and just listen to you as well.
Speaker 2:Thank you oh well, thank you so much for having me on your show. I really appreciate, really appreciate the time we had to just kind of have a honest powwow about it all well.
Speaker 1:I hope you enjoyed that conversation as much as I did. Kim has such expertise and insight not only into supporting survivors of domestic abuse, but telling true crime stories across the board. As I said, Slaycation is on my regular listen list for podcasts, so I'd really recommend a listen. I'll put links in the episode notes and on my social listen list for podcasts, so I'd really recommend a listen. I'll put links in the episode notes and on my socials as well.
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